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admin_1 · Site Admin Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 77

[size=18] I am really disturbed to see that in the whole muslim world . in almost 58 countries there is not a single pure democratic state ..all are run by monorchs, dictators, kings, military leaders, war lords, with few exceptions where we see democratically elected leaders,,,,,,,,
why this is so ?????is islam not compatible with democracy or muslims rulers for their vested interests are manipulating the situation or muslims are not generally well educated and because of the lack of awareness they are ruled by non democratic leaders,,,,,,,,,,,,,what do u think???why there is no democracy in muslim world and how mulim counries can be democratized????????[/size]

JanaanGull · Senior Member Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 173

It's a pity and its a reality. I would say Malaysia is the only country in the muslim world where there is some kind of political stability.
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abbas · Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 22

wroono somra chy ma eordely dee

we d eos wakheth muslman pasy tha aoo
d eos wakheth pukhtann, pasy aoo (nom ye neshem lekly DA CHY HAR CHA PA SHA WE) pasy lewani de kho tool na. bus de ledrano korsy aoo pasy dwara khwakhy we aghy pa ghareb khalkoo se kaye. se chal eooshoo chy awam ye muslman de.

admin_1 · Site Admin Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 77

its a serious issue ,,why muslim countries dont have democracy???? yeah janangul malaysia may be an exception but generally muslim countries are run by undemocratic leaders,,,,,,,,we muslims need to poder over this lamentable situation and have to search ways and means to democratize muslim world where will of the people is supreme in worldly matters.

aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

how democracy can be introduced in muslim countries???? Its my research topic......I wanted to know your views on this issue ..please post your comments that how democracy can be introduced in muslim world.
we should also see whether democracy is compatible with islam or not?? I think that democracy is compatible with the original islam but not with the islam of wahabis, saudis, arab amirs, taliban concept of islam, ,,in this case first we have to introduce pure original islam then we can talk of democracy in muslim world or we can remove this so called islam from muslim world and then democracy can be introduced???
what do you think????????????is turkey a model for us ???/ or malysia ? or which country????????
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Nan · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:49 am Post subject:

salam..
This is a very important and good topic to discuss .. Unfortunately what’s said by all of u is pure truth ..
But the answer on the question abt compatibility between Islam and democracy is very clear and very easy.
All religions are leading to the good of a person this matter i wont discuss here but i m saying this to remove any confusion felt by non muslims if i ll define Islam as religion thus the reader wont misunderstand what i m going to say ..
Islam is the religion of humanity, of human rights..islam is treating even the tiniest matter to make it fair even an atom Islam take care of it ( bismillah arrahman arrahim famayyamal misskala zarraten khayrayyarah wa mayyaamal misskala zarraten sharrayyarah sadakallahul azim ) this means if a person does good even an atom Allah will reward him and who does bad even an atom Allah will punish him so from this u can conclude how Islam lead to the good ..put aside all the details mentioned in ur discussions above ... this is not the topic of discussion , in a real muslim country u ll never see dictators ruling beside the important thing u ll never see two categories in society the category of poor persons and the category of rich persons this doesnt show a healthy muslim society coz Islam has its rules example of sadakat zakat kafalat orphins for whom can ( liman istata'a sabila ) to distribute equally the reason of life among everybody ..That the whom able will help the poor it s the islam .. but concerning rulers leaders and kings and emirs , here is the problem called fear of losing what we own .. in gulfian countries and other gulfian countries where there is natural wealth such as natural gas and petrol .. why arent we able to manage our matters by ourselves and take the proceeds of it why dont we do this we have the educated persons who are enough to take care of this matter why should we always be under the gardianship of westerns who influence the muslim society with their own traditions and their own ways of life in time we have our owns we re importing this to ourselves so it s the leaders who should take this responsability but the matter is the leaders and the kings and all those they know their selves that people dont agree with their policy thus they make their gardians the strangers to cover their back from their people fearing that people will refuse this kind of government this kind of policy and per consequence the people will make revolution against their leaders and change the system of government.. thats why the leaders submit to the external factors obey them n to make them to lead them how to govern ( and of course they will never tell the governors to rule in msulim way coz they arent muslims n then there would not be any democracy away of muslim way in government) and of course the external factor has his interests in this country to protect his benefits and his interests in this country like petrol and all whats is usueful in this country to have it for himself so he ll not be fair with the people of this country rather he ll protect more the leaders who are forming a coverage for what are they doing in this country of robbery and such matters in time the leaders has nothing but just sleeping or sitting on the chair with the feeling of fear of losing this chair one day and the way of losing it will be or by people or by the external factor whom is already covering his back if the governor will look right to the matters of his people then gardian will kill him exactly like they killed many in my country like last one the president Rafic Hariri ( Allah yirhamo ) coz he was good and was looking right to the matters of his people.. so strangers will remove him when he ll take care of the matters of his people and will find a substitute for him,( the governors n the gardians protect each other's back ) mutual protection i can call it the governor to keep the chair and the western to keep stealing what is not for him and to be covered by the governor n the poor governor doesnt know that he s also protecting the perons whom are stealing him n his people! and only thinking abt this chair ...thats why the muslim stuffs has gone away from his head in the presence of a chair … honestly who should spread the practice of Islam in real is the governor it s him who should take care of these matters thats why we see in these muslim countries no democracy other wise Islam is the religion of democracy and the freedom yes the freedom but not as the same meaning as the freedom of western they are not free in my opinion they are slaves of lost and ignorance for matters of real life and in a complete confusing and they have no democracy when their media don’t dare to or cant say a truth to let her people understand whats going on around them and in world example i ll not feel shy to tell it ... most of countries in west during the war on Lebanon they were obliged to keep shut and not to tell whats going on in my country Lebanon is this the democracy? no i dont think so also when the lebanese tv’s ( excepted lbc coz they are doing like they want )were interdict n not allowed in western countries to be watched why? to prevent their people from knowing the truth coz i am very sure in west still u can find a huge portion of people who will have compassion with the people of Lebanon and what abt Palestine? why they are killed and noone is taking care of their matter why? we are strong in Lebanon noone can hurt us its like we re the humans and israelis are mosquitoes thus we dont need any support of outside to help us but why muslims countries wont they help the palestinians ? they are innocent people killed each coming day i ll not say abt whole israelis citizens coz i m sure most of them dont understand what s going on around them but i ll talk abt the government and some of israelis citizens who are making the matters of killing and destroying everything ... why? why governors dont realize that israeli gov is doing genocide in palestinian citizens isnt enough they took their land? and lets say they should accept them in their land but why killing them ?? that what i dont understand if we ll talk humanly rights anyway noone hear noone see and noone talk ( ... ) its famous quote aint going to say it ..
this is the points i wanted to say but i guess i said it a bit blurred and not well organized but i let my fingers to type all ideas which is important n crossed my mind i wanted to say before forgetting what i think!
we should never say that non muslim countries has democracy no this is wrong we can get the proofs if we wish from their black history u know well this is true i ll not discuss this point coz we are only discussing the point of Islam and democracy if peoples all around the world change the governors and dont allow to them to rule them in their only benefitic way then believe me democracy will spread all over the world .. believe me… but what can we do when the governors fear from his people and from his sponsor! n if u make a statistical researches believe me u ll find out that all muslim people all around the countries arent with their governors and they are against ... i found out this n was sure of it during the war on Lebanon when Egypt, Tunis, Algeria, gulfian countries such as Kuwait, Qatar etc… ( Qatar stills till now helping us ) all gulfian countries with no exception has helped us even the iraqis who are the poorest state n all the muslim people in all countries are feeling pain for Palestine all people are feeling pain for their pain…
so can u tell me how to solve this in ur opinion?
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Nan · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:02 am Post subject:

i want to explain a matter i mentioned above
i mentionned:
"and lets say they should accept them in their land but why killing them ??"
i mean by this the palestinina lets say that they should accept israelis in their land
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

good comments nan ,,,,,,i thimnk there must be a strong movement in muslim world for introducing full democracy in our politics, culture,society etc.all men and women must rise against the non democratic rulers.......west has a dark history but their present and future is bright at least in this world
palestine issue is a separate topic ,,you may start a new topic on this but here also we need democracy and development like israel ..israel is a power and the only democracy in middle east ,,,,,,hamas also won elections but has no development and power ,,,,we must follow realism ,,its all game of power,,,,palestine issue can be solved once palestenians have equal or more power than israel
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Nan · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:01 am Post subject:

salam
no aymel we shouldnt be like this obedient under the name of realism..this made me sad when i ve read ur reply.
how come u urself who is pakistani n a pakhtoon is saying like this?? i m sure u re in cuirrent of all whats going on in ur country and of all whats going around the world.. they re still having the black history tell me who is behind the kill and destruction n non democracy all over the worlkd and especially in muslim world cant u tell me who? so aimel i hope u ll re-read all the facts again and re- express it in ur own way and re-change all what was from thoughts in ur mind abt all whats going on we should think deeply and be prudent of pure truth n not washed brain like they want us to be! n u can take lebanon as a great example also in north of ur country! ah aimel . i m not against the people of west they have nothing to do they dont know at all whats going on around them but i m only against the all governments of all countries including ours! its really painful all whats going on its really painful aimel.. they dont have a bright history in present believe me!
palestine was an example like all countries aimel i wasnt discussing them but it s the matter behind everything is usa and israel i dont fear to say this..
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Nan · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:57 am Post subject:

how can u say this aimel?? i m still cant believe that u said this .. just tell me how could u say it ??

"also we need democracy and development like israel ..israel is a power and the only democracy in middle east"

[b]EXPLAIN IT AIMEL!

coz my staying in this site and my learning pashto depend on ur answer i ll take my decision after i get ur answer .. i cant stay in a place where someone agrees with the enemy! i say it openly
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

nan
dont be emotional ,,,think whatever i said ,,,,,is israel not a power??? is israel not a democracy ??? can you deny it ???? its another thing that israel is cruel,bad, enemy of islam,enemy of muslims,killer, murderer, abuser etc but its the fact at the same time that israel is a power and democracy thats why the whole arab and muslim world can do nothing against israel , a tiny israel is well established in the heart of arab world by force,by power and by democracy ..these things we dont find in muslim and arab world, all muslim and arab rulers and dictators. we muslims are good but we are not powerful and we are not democratic i say satan or devil is powerful but i dont say its good. try to understand what i say ,,,i am telling you something different

second learning pashto is one thing and political discussion is another thing ,,you know the best pashto work and research is done by non pashtun non muslim people ,,,,,do you know the best arabic language classes are in new york ,,,,,,,,,dont mix politics , religion and language
please continue your pashto classes and here we are discussion a very different thing ,,,,,,which has nothing to do with pashto language classes
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Nan · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:47 am Post subject:

salam
aimel i dont have the right to convince u but i have the right to correct for u some of ur informations..
first thing israel isnt democratic this is for sure so u try to expand ur research n believe me u ll find out what i mean what democracy are u talking abt it ?? is it the one which is kill? or destructions or what?? is this the definition of democracy? otherwise give me in what they are democratic ?? or its the american democratics have planted them in the heart of arabic world ( muslim world for correction ( coz i agree with u abt arabic governors are just cowards and stupids and dreamers and easily surrenders )).
second thing, they are powerful?? maybe yes ....but...LOL aimel u re in far world u dont hear anything, u arent seeing whats going around u lol its very clear!!
what is this power which was defeated with the less number of mujahideen and with the tiniest equipments of weapons which are from first war equipments hizbullah own and with this less equipments and with this less number of mujahideen they defeated the powerful israel LOL aimel dont u watch the news?? i guess u didnt hear abt it i am sure if u have done then u wouldnt have at all said all this anyway see all whats going on and only media made of them powerful and u know how powerful is the media its something truth oh they are invincible army oh its powerful army oh god! but look at this coward army they left running away the lebanese land leaving behind them their pwerful n improved weapons and kissed the ground coz they are still alive ah aimel they are not at all powerful believe me .. when america is behind them and with the complete attention ready to give them the bombs and the weapons the most improved ones ( which with it they killed our babies women old persons and handicaps!!) and still they were defeated its TRUTH we cant change it its the complete picture the complete truth! again i ll repeat the israeli citizens are poor they have nothing to do with their government ( i m not against the civilian people) they dont know even whats going on around them believe me just few who are related to gov they understand whats going on but in general they dont! the israelis - and remember me that i say this one day - when they ll understand whats going on and how their gov is cheating them one day they ll leave coz they also dont like the wrongs ...this is abt powerful !
what u said abt powerful maybe it WAS truth with arabs before but with lebanese we have shown their reality which they were covered behind MEDIA!

another point aimel i ll continue posting the lessons in "pashto lessons" coz i promised but as soon i ll finish posting them i ll retire from this site coz i feel myself i m intrude here and have no place so i ll finish them n then i ll retire for ever ..n sorry for entering in discussions.i shouldnt have done.
wish u all the best n take care
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

nan you are so far the only one who is participating here ,,,,,if u leave then from whom we ll learn ,as u said i dont know ,,,if u leave then from whom i ll learn ??????? please stay with us ..you seem to be a very intelligent creative minded person,,,muslims need people like u not the arab sheikhs and ignorant dictators ,,,,
media made israel powerful ,,,why muslim media dont make muslims powerful ,,,,,,again our weakness,,,,,i salute to hizbullah ,,great job ,,,,,but still israel is there ,,,hizbullah has iman and emotions but no technology and power of israel ,,,israelis empowered by USA why muslims are not empowered by muslim powers,,,,,?????allies must empower and help allies and friends and isarel is bad but is a democracy by all definitions of democracy ,,,,,,son of the president does not become president or prime minister as in arab world ,,there are parliaments and elections .......common peopleare well educated and the number od nobel prize holders in israel are more than all the 58 muslim countries,,,,,,a tiny israel is far greater than all so called muslim countries
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Nan · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:52 am Post subject:

salam aimal
i didnt mean to make u sad , and i m sorry aimel its last thing i wish that u feel like this ..
aimel i m learning from u n u are my teacher n thnx for saying what u said in ur previous post but the fact is u n hamid n feroz are my teachers ok? n i m very proud to have teachers like u also relatives.
i wanted to leave coz i felt it wasnt my place here, but when i read ur this post then i felt that it is really my place n i was wrong.
aimel u said truth to some extent n yes hizbulla arent like them equiped like them who they have the whole usa behind them supporting them with their weapons u said truth n i said to some extent coz the fact the israeli gov isnt democratic even with their own citizens !! u ll find out later what i mean n i ll not say it now this info form some of their citizens n its fact n ur wondering is in its place why we re not lile them ? n yes the israelis citizens arent fierce nor hostile ( excepted some of them ) like the government i know this as i mentionned it before n i have real proofs around it . but u said truth abt the education n noble prizes why muslim countries dont have people wh o can reach these levels in education..
again aimel i m sorry for the misunderstanding happened again i ll say we re family n will be inshalla n always.
i ll keep posting here the lebanese meals the head of states and photoshop and pashto lessons and fashions etc..but i need from u to teach me how to post a picture from my computer n not a url is it as same way as from url ?as i ll try this now ok?
wish u all the best and a very nice n successful day inshalla.
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

thanx nan for understanding me and i understand and appreciate ur points ,,,,i m very dullin computer things,,,,,janan is expert and he is not coming ,,is it possible u reach him and invite him to come here ,,,,,,
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

we the muslims and arabs should think over the status of affairs of the of the world and our position. where the world reached and where we left behind the only solution to all our problems is modern education system and introduction of full democracy otherwise we will be the worst nation of the world some of arab countries are having better life but its becaus eof the natural resources like petroleum not because of the good governanace of the rulers
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aymal khan · Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 72

i wish to launch a big movement of introducing full democracy and modern educational system in Muslim world on the lines of the basic tenets of Islam
I request all members here to please contribute their views and comments in this regard ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please participate in whatever way you can ,,,,,,please break this inertia prevailing here
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